this was the first concept of the M-frigate. this one is the earliest, the N (north sea) frigate.
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M-frigate development
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M-frigate development
background story coming later, I have to translate it.
this was the first concept of the M-frigate. this one is the earliest, the N (north sea) frigate.
comments?
this was the first concept of the M-frigate. this one is the earliest, the N (north sea) frigate.
comments?
Drawings are credited with J.Scholtens
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Re: M-frigate development
Nice one, but I find it hard to believe the Dutch navy would use that gun. At that time the gun would have been 76mm Oto-Melara Compact.
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Re: M-frigate development
well, this ship is designed as an 'north sea' frigate, for which the 76 would be too heavy or something..... I agree with you, and if this was an own design, I would stick an 76 on it. the references proved me wrong though, so I put the 57 on.
that said, it is also hard to believe they proposed an single prop design to the dutch navy
that said, it is also hard to believe they proposed an single prop design to the dutch navy
Drawings are credited with J.Scholtens
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Re: M-frigate development
The Dutch planned 57mm various times....Novice wrote:Nice one, but I find it hard to believe the Dutch navy would use that gun. At that time the gun would have been 76mm Oto-Melara Compact.
Re: M-frigate development
Very interesting! The M-frigates were definitely a case of "capability creep". I have a Dutch-language book on the history of the M-frigates at home (I'm sure you are aware of this book?). Let me look at it tonight and see if there is anything useful in there for you...
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oh, and...was the Goalkeeper already known in 1977? Just asking, I really don't know...
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Re: M-frigate development
a book? if you have any intel on these ships, please share it, because I don't have much information........ only drawings, length, displacement and a bit about weapons and radars is known to me. for the rest I have to guess mostly, so if you could scan some stuff....rd77 wrote:Very interesting! The M-frigates were definitely a case of "capability creep". I have a Dutch-language book on the history of the M-frigates at home (I'm sure you are aware of this book?). Let me look at it tonight and see if there is anything useful in there for you...
and for the goalkeeper: it was first delivered in 1980. so in 1977 they could of course plan to have them on new ships.
Drawings are credited with J.Scholtens
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Re: M-frigate development
This is the book:
http://www.defensieforum.be/forum_viewt ... p?27.23784
I don't have a scanner handy, but I'll see what I can do for you.
http://www.defensieforum.be/forum_viewt ... p?27.23784
I don't have a scanner handy, but I'll see what I can do for you.
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Re: M-frigate development
Ah that book. I saw it in the book shop, but way too expensiverd77 wrote:This is the book:
http://www.defensieforum.be/forum_viewt ... p?27.23784
I don't have a scanner handy, but I'll see what I can do for you.