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Re: United Federation of Prizyetsa Navy

Posted: October 15th, 2012, 3:04 pm
by Prizyetsa
Hello everyone. I hope you all have lovely summers- mine was mediocre at best. I come here today with a renewed sense of purpose and motivation, I am going to retry my attempt at making a destroyer seeing as my last attempt slowly faded into the great hall of failure, and then I lost interest when it didn't go anywhere. That's why I plan to do this one differently. I plan to build the destroyer up around the systems it will need, then make the design. In other words, I will look at the meaning of the word "destroyer", and then make a list of systems I want onboard, and then make the general layout of the ship.

A destroyer, as acording to wikipedia is as follows:

"In naval terminology, a destroyer is a fast and maneuverable yet long-endurance warship intended to escort larger vessels in a fleet, convoy or battle group and defend them against smaller, powerful, short-range attackers."

The definition of destroyer I am using for this project is from the wikipedia page for Guided Missile Destroyer, and is as follows:

"A guided missile destroyer is a destroyer designed to launch guided missiles. Many are also equipped to carry out anti-submarine, anti-air, and anti-surface operations. The NATO standard designation for these vessels is DDG. Nations vary in their use of destroyer D designation their hull pennant numbering, either prefixing, or dropping it altogether. The U.S. Navy has adopted the classification DDG in the US hull classification symbol.
In addition to the guns that destroyers have, a guided missile destroyer is usually equipped with two large missile magazines which store the missiles for the ship, usually in Vertical Launch Cells. Some guided missile destroyers contain powerful weapon system radars, like the United States’ Aegis combat system, and may be adopted for use in an anti-missile role or a ballistic missile defense role. This is especially true of navies that no longer operate cruisers, as other vessels must be adopted to fill in the gap."


So, from what I gather, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that a guided missile destroyer is a long range naval vessel with a heavy armament of missiles for offensive and defensive purposes, which also possesses a strong sensor suite for. Am I somewhere in the ballpark?

DDX WIP

Posted: October 17th, 2012, 8:03 pm
by Prizyetsa
Okay, so here is what I have so far (This is a WIP). I called it the DDX, just to make things easy for myself.

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Name: (undecided)
Length: 141.7m
Beam: 18.5m
Draght: ca. 6.5m
Tonnage: ca. 9000 tons
Propulsion System: Combined gas and diesel arrangement driving dual ducted propellors
Speed: ca. 29-31 knots
Range: 5200 nautical miles at 20 knots
Compliment: 260 crew + 14 air crew (Accommodation for 300)

Sensors:
-APAR
-SMART+I
-Shipboard Radar
-Gatekeeper
-SABRE EW suite
-Various Comms Systems
-Hull-Mounted Sonar

Weapon Systems
-127mm Deck Gun

-48-Cell Mk. 41 VLS
--Tomahawk Missiles
--SCALP Missiles

-12-Cell Mk. 41 VLS
--Aster Block 30

-16-Cell Mk. 41 VLS
--RAM (This is AU...)

-2 x Hull-Mounted Torpedo Tubes

-3 x Phalanx CIWS

-2 x Mission customizable slots (Filled by 2 x 4-Tube Naval Strike Missile launchers)

Aircraft Carried
2 x SA 365 Dauphin
2 x MQB-8 Drones
So here it is. I thought about this for awhile before I started drawing. I figured that it needed to have a variety of missiles, but at the same time that it had to remain functional. NS or not, the ship has to remain somewhat realistic in my opinion. I took a liberty with making the RAM VLS capable, but I'm sure that's not too big of a problem.

Also, the ability to carry 2 helicopters is given by the Hangar layout. I wanted the hangar to shaped as a kind of lop-sided "L", so one helicopter could roll into the deeper part of the hanger, while another sat in it diagonally. The UAVs would be parked one after another in a line next to the helicopter in the farthest part of the hangar.

Please keep in mind that this is still a WIP, and that I need to add vents and other such details.

I have a few questions for the experts here in the hallowed halls of SB...

-Do I have sufficient sensor equipment to operate this ship with all of its weapon systems?
-Does the ship's layout seem realistic? Is the structure solid enough? (Or will it snap in the middle?)

Any feedback is good feedback! Thanks in advance.

Re: United Federation of Prizyetsa Navy

Posted: October 17th, 2012, 8:14 pm
by acelanceloet
-while you have enough equipment, APAR+ SMART-L is not made to work with ASTER. you should go for an PAAMS radar setup or switch to USN missiles.
-also, why both tomahawk and SCALP?
-sabre needs to be fitted both fore and aft (or both sides, but fore-aft is common with the dutch systems)
-you have 4 360 degree camera units of gatekeeper on board now, those are units which are an complete mast. you need to take the smaller one of the dutch sheet.
-RAM blk 2 is already VLS capable
-having the main funnels directly next to the SMART is not the best idea......
-that boat bay at the stern is gonna cut into your hangar, better move it forward
-the bridge looks a bit weird (as if some of the lines should be grey instead of black) or is it possible to walk around the entire pilothouse?
-the displacement seems a bit high for the sizes: the LCF, which is bigger on all dimensions except draugt is only about 6000 tons

Re: United Federation of Prizyetsa Navy

Posted: October 20th, 2012, 11:54 pm
by Prizyetsa
UPDATE
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Updates
-ASTER has been changed to RIM-162
-Tomahawk has been dropped
-SABRE has been properly placed (for-aft)
-Gatekeeper has been properly placed
-Aft-funnel has been moved back
-The boat was originally meant to be launched out of the back of the ship. Below is a digram.
-Bridge has been edited
-Displacement was a mistake. I read something wrong.

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red=VLS systems for the RAM-2 missiles
blue= stern-boatlaunch

Re: United Federation of Prizyetsa Navy

Posted: October 21st, 2012, 12:00 am
by Trojan
Looks pretty good.
You should probably move the phalanx farther back and that is not the RIM-162, you should also maybe think about adding ESSM to your missiles.
Btw three phalanx is a bit much for a ship this size compared to IRL but theres nothing inherently wrong with it that I know of