The Great Democratic kingdom caledonia

[heuhen]

the "J" and "P" classes are commendable - they pass the test of looking feasible.

thanks!

but Caledonia You have to decide what decade your living in: Archaic Soviet style ssm launchers on a modern hull just look daft.

That BCG and the P-class is the only ship that is still in the fleet after the Soviet era. The ships I draw t the moment is those ships that survived that time and was part of the fleet for over the next 20-30 years, I draw in addition the more modern ships.

Those ships that will take over from the old wrecks of the cold war thos ships I have not started on yet.

And since the Norwegian Navy retired the last Oslo class first in 2007, I think My AU will start at aprox: 2000 and beyond?!

Pinquin/Gabriel style

yes those are Penguin ssm on that "P" class.

What? No, just as I said - this is a ship that has stealth aspirations, VLS etc. You just don't stick a great frigging 'HGV petrol tanker' on it and expect to be taken seriously

Who said it was stealth build? and the petrol tank. came when it was used only as a kind of armt suport shipand then it is not intended to go into battle, just give supporting fire when it is in a Aircraft Fleet.

Does not some Aircraft carrier delivering fuel to its destroyers?

Couldn't you get away with something simiar to on the Houbei missile boats? Angle the launchers outwards but keep the relatively clean lines?

on the BCG it is at angel!

aren't those torpedo tubes?

on the "P"-class? Yes!

Re the P class, I don't think the TAK76 is suitable.
They made sense because they made it possible to get a 76mm gun on something the size of an E-Boat. The P class is much bigger, big enough in fact to use the OTO 76 Compact which, unlike the TAK76, is a very good AA gun.

will do.

Also, you might want to find room for an aft facing director. As it stands right now you won't be able to engage air targets head-on because the RAM won't bear, but neither can you engage them dead astern because the director wont bear.

Will do that to!

[heuhen]

I have made an improvement on the P-class.

RAM has been moved as far back as possible so that it covers approx. 250-270 degrees, the small area it does not covers the 76mm should be able to cover, while a small boat like this should easily be able to adjust its course so that RAM can shoot. it's only a couple degree course adjustment that.

[erik_t]

Two FCS sets, an air search radar and a large surface search radar? This seems very very excessive to me.

I would lower the RAM to deck level.

[heuhen]

Two FCS sets, an air search radar and a large surface search radar? This seems very very excessive to me.

perhaps, perhaps!

I would lower the RAM to deck level.

hm. i can lover it a bit but not that much!

[Portsmouth Bill]

Who said it was stealth build? and the petrol tank. came when it was used only as a kind of armt suport shipand then it is not intended to go into battle, just give supporting fire when it is in a Aircraft Fleet.

Does not some Aircraft carrier delivering fuel to its destroyers

Sorry Huen, I was speaking figuraratively, comparing that missile cannister to an actual road petrol tanker; but am I right that its taken from the Soviet parts sheet - or inspired by the same? The confusion (for me at least) is that you've gone to the trouble of drawing a modern hull with superstructure that looks 'potentially' stealthy with only a few changes, and it is already showing good radar reflection in the hull sides and the raised supersructure, and of course VLS for some of the missiles, and flat arrays on the bridge sides - all helping to eliminate reflection. Then to bung this huge cannister on the forward deck like a carbuncle - it just doesn't makes sense, and you are mixing several generations of weapon systems on a new hull? No I'm sorry, as it stands this cannot be taken seriously, but I'll leave it you.

[heuhen]

Who said it was stealth build? and the petrol tank. came when it was used only as a kind of armt suport shipand then it is not intended to go into battle, just give supporting fire when it is in a Aircraft Fleet.

Does not some Aircraft carrier delivering fuel to its destroyers

Sorry Huen, I was speaking figuraratively, comparing that missile cannister to an actual road petrol tanker; but am I right that its taken from the Soviet parts sheet - or inspired by the same? The confusion (for me at least) is that you've gone to the trouble of drawing a modern hull with superstructure that looks 'potentially' stealthy with only a few changes, and it is already showing good radar reflection in the hull sides and the raised supersructure, and of course VLS for some of the missiles, and flat arrays on the bridge sides - all helping to eliminate reflection. Then to bung this huge cannister on the forward deck like a carbuncle - it just doesn't makes sense, and you are mixing several generations of weapon systems on a new hull? No I'm sorry, as it stands this cannot be taken seriously, but I'll leave it you.

But who said that was completely new, it is an old ship that has received some upgrades in some places. while other devices simply have a software an upgrade.

It was equipped with VLC likk MK-22/26 but if get access to a better missile VLC yes then one uses it. just like Tico..

And when it comes to the big missile boxes. there was no other alternative. and there is no room below deck for a through hull VLC. so they just takes and improve the electronics on them and use it here.

This is something they did in Norway on the Oslo-class frigates, and the Hauk-class PT boats that became the Super-Hauk class "

[Portsmouth Bill]

But who said that was completely new, it is an old ship that has received some upgrades in some places

Nuclear powered? And you've still chosen to ignore the question as to why you are mixing weapons from different periods, and is that launcher copied from the Russian? No, I'm not wishing to be being unkind, but this has let down what is an otherwise very good AU I will now definately retire - I have other fish to fry )

[heuhen]

What kind of fish! And please have a nice white sauce for me!

eh. Let's start again!

1. What kind of weapons are too old / new for her. (if we think she has had a few upgrades, especially the electronics)
2. Should I let her have something like 22/26 GMLS instead of those VLC.

It is one thing to draw PT boats and frigates, it is something quite different to draw a little big ... BCG!

All hail "Portsmouth bill" to to catch me with a shoelace!

[Portsmouth Bill]

All hail "Portsmouth bill" to to catch me with a shoelace!

You've lost me there; but the rest is fine Anyway, not being a erudite in the subtleties of naval architecture, my views must be somewhat limited; that said I'll still inflict them:

You could choose to create two versions, sort of split the design timewise; with the earlier being of the same period as Longbeach, with equivalent weapons and sensors. A major rebuild may be possible (though not likely) and what the hell - why not; with stealth added to the superstructure and getting as much as possible covered - so VLS and shielding on launchers - but not that cannister thingy. Anyway, just a few thoughts.

[heuhen]

All hail "Portsmouth bill" to to catch me with a shoelace!


You've lost me there; but the rest is fine

Instead of fishing line! a little harder to catch with. But you did!