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Carthaginian wrote:

Thiel wrote:

Zephyr wrote:All I said was that it was designed for two triples,

That's were the problem lies. You're laying down ships well before triple turrets were even a twinkle in the designers eyes.

No, he's not.
The Russian Gangut class was laid down at the same time.
Sevastopol, in specific, was actually laid down in 1906, built for triple turrets.

Thank you.

..... which proves nothing still, as this ship would have been laid down in 1903. keep in mind that the gangut was based on the dantes design.

acelanceloet wrote:..... which proves nothing still, as this ship would have been laid down in 1903. keep in mind that the gangut was based on the dantes design.

What ship would have been laid down in 1903? I thought I had been clear it was laid down initially in 1908.

Zephyr wrote:First authorized in 1907, she intially was supposed to be armed with 6 x 12" in triple turrets fore and aft, and 8 x 9" in four twin wing turrets. Laid down in mid 1908...

A failure, but still an interesting design...

eltf177 wrote:A failure, but still an interesting design...

Failure? Care to elaborate?

Zephyr wrote:

eltf177 wrote:A failure, but still an interesting design...

Failure? Care to elaborate?

Well, you did tell us it SAS intended to be the pride of the fleet but it ended up as a second rank station ship.

ah. thought maybe he was referring to the design itself as a failure, and not the backstory part of it.

Zephyr wrote:ah. thought maybe he was referring to the design itself as a failure, and not the backstory part of it.

Mostly the backstory, but you did mention it has battlecruiser-level armor but only battleship speed...

fiddled with springsharp again, this time with the Sanxay Straits. Seems she's not such a bad ship after all.

Sanxay Straits, Grays Harbor Battleship laid down 1910 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
28,452 t light; 30,912 t standard; 33,331 t normal; 35,265 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
696.03 ft / 693.00 ft x 104.00 ft (Bulges 112.00 ft) x 30.00 ft (normal load)
212.15 m / 211.23 m x 31.70 m (Bulges 34.14 m) x 9.14 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
13 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 15,309 lbs / 6,944 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 400.00 ft / 121.92 m 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
Ends: 4.50" / 114 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
93.00 ft / 28.35 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 9.00" / 229 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
3rd: 4.00" / 102 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 41,628 shp / 31,055 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,353 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
1,233 - 1,603

Cost:
£2.859 million / $11.435 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,914 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 9,664 tons, 29.0 %
- Belts: 3,146 tons, 9.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,828 tons, 8.5 %
- Armour Deck: 3,557 tons, 10.7 %
- Conning Tower: 134 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,826 tons, 5.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 15,048 tons, 45.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,879 tons, 14.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
52,407 lbs / 23,772 Kg = 60.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 7.6 ft / 2.3 m
Roll period: 17.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.45

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.501
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.19 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.32 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 4.30 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forecastle (17 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 20.74 ft / 6.32 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.4 %
Waterplane Area: 48,064 Square feet or 4,465 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 223 lbs/sq ft or 1,090 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.11
- Longitudinal: 1.71
- Overall: 1.16
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

You beat me to it, I also wanted to try and SS her.

I do note the 1912 engines and a laydown date of 1910. Shouldn't that be a laydown date of 1908? I can go with 1912 engines as construction was suspended and one would assume newer and better engines would be installed before resuming construction. As the Main Battery guns were hand-me-downs those dates should be earlier though.