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Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 23rd, 2014, 8:18 pm
by Blackbuck
I'm sure that could be arranged though it'd be a bit of a step backwards, at least with regards to how VL-Sea Wolf is stowed. Exocets seem about as plausible as Sea Eagles to me especially as the development work was already done for surface-launching them unlike Sea Eagle which would require work and ergo money.

To my mind a 32 cell tactical length Mk41 (which this has) is the best compromise as it allows for a broad spectrum of weapon systems to be integrated with minimal developmental costs.

I may however knock up an austerity version with Sea Wolf and a 4.5 etc.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 23rd, 2014, 9:03 pm
by Blackbuck
Not to bump myself or anything but the first post has been updated with all the finished drawings to date, neatly organised into categories.

~Regards.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 24th, 2014, 6:58 am
by odysseus1980
With the standard VL-SeaWolf of real ships and the very good Sea Eagle launchers of Recherche AU. She can take twin double launchers like the RBS-15.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 24th, 2014, 10:14 am
by Blackbuck
Well to be fair the only two missiles (to date) considered for use both for the existing Dukes and proposed Super Dukes have been Exocet and Harpoon.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 24th, 2014, 1:06 pm
by Thiel
I'm not really sure why you're so gong-ho on the Sea Eagle Odysseus considering it's never been been surface launched outside of a few tests and has largely been retired by the few nations who bought it.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 24th, 2014, 1:15 pm
by odysseus1980
Thiel wrote:I'm not really sure why you're so gong-ho on the Sea Eagle Odysseus considering it's never been been surface launched outside of a few tests and has largely been retired by the few nations who bought it.
I have sources about every program of Rainbow Code, bombs, missiles,radars etc.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 24th, 2014, 7:53 pm
by Blackbuck
Be that as it may Sea Eagle isn't going to be a viable proposal whilst there are existing MOTS solutions such as Harpoon and Exocet about.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 25th, 2014, 8:46 am
by Hood
That's a great collection of Super Dukes. A real treat to look at all of these and dream...

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 28th, 2014, 4:49 pm
by Blackbuck
Cheers. Dreaming indeed. :|

Hopefully the final drawing to add to the collection.

An 'ideal' progression and MLU for the original Super Duke.

Image
  • Goalkeeper gets replaced sometime in the mid noughties with Seastreak
  • Harpoon receives block update to Block III standard by 2011
  • Mk.45 gains capability to employ guided rounds sometime between GW2 and Libya
  • DS30s are dropped in favour of MLG-27s seeing as the 27mm x145 is used elsewhere
  • Improvements to the towed array are undertaken on those vessels that have them
  • Post Libya they gain an at first austere but then useful capability to launch and recover UAVs in this case a generic ramp launched UAV standing in for Scan Eagle and Camcopters
  • The original Type 1007 / 1008 pairing gives way to Thales Variant and Surface Scout
  • Sea Archer gives way to LIROD Mk.2
  • The Centurions have a combination of Sea-Gnat, TALOS and Chimera decoys covering the IR, RF and a combined IR/RF decoy requirement
  • Artisan appears as OTL
  • ESSM replaces NSSM as ever with the possibility of switching to Active-ESSM in the future
  • SM-2 ends up at Block IIIA standard as well as gaining the MHIP upgrade
  • VL-Nulka appears to save coming up with a Centurion based solution
  • GL-SDB appears some time after Libya, probably rapidly fielded for Middle East ops
  • VL-ASROC is kept up to date but reduced in number to four per vessel
Anyhow, that's all for now.

~Mark.

Re: (Notional) Super Type 23

Posted: November 28th, 2014, 6:22 pm
by Krakatoa
Capable looking ship with nice lines. BB.