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Re: American Capital Ships
she must have that look then because of the centred armament. I mean, the propulsion + main guns of the montana go over a length of 170 meters, while this vessel has it all on 30 meters less, while the engines of the times tend to be bigger. the bigger beam of the montana (giving her 10000 tons more displacement) might give more space for the engines as well, and the additional knot ties that back again...... the montana also had part of her turbines amidships, between the funnels and under the bridge.
EDIT: yep, that explains it. machinery in between the 2 rows of boilers, steam-electric. aft of the boilers are only some motor rooms. interesting!
that said, you have moved the forward funnel a lot more to the rear, which gave me doubts in the first place.
all in all, I have learned something new today
EDIT: yep, that explains it. machinery in between the 2 rows of boilers, steam-electric. aft of the boilers are only some motor rooms. interesting!
that said, you have moved the forward funnel a lot more to the rear, which gave me doubts in the first place.
all in all, I have learned something new today
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Re: American Capital Ships
The funnel shading could stand to be a bit more subtle
Re: American Capital Ships
I have toned down the shading and increased the spacing between the funnels, hopefully it should be satisfactory now.
Re: American Capital Ships
Here`s a SS report on the Louisiana:
USS Louisiana, USA Battleship laid down 1923
Displacement:
46 031 t light; 49 326 t standard; 51 342 t normal; 52 954 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
924,00 ft / 900,00 ft x 106,00 ft x 34,00 ft (normal load)
281,63 m / 274,32 m x 32,31 m x 10,36 m
Armament:
12 - 16,00" / 406 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2 048,00lbs / 928,96kg shells, 1923 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1923 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1923 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all forward
7 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1923 Model
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 26 831 lbs / 12 170 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,5" / 343 mm 585,00 ft / 178,31 m 19,00 ft / 5,79 m
Ends: 8,00" / 203 mm 91,00 ft / 27,74 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
224,00 ft / 68,28 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
5,00" / 127 mm 675,00 ft / 205,74 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 9,00" / 229 mm 13,0" / 330 mm
- Armour deck: 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 11,50" / 292 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 107 981 shp / 80 554 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 627 tons
Complement:
1 704 - 2 216
Cost:
£14,352 million / $57,409 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 354 tons, 6,5 %
Armour: 17 134 tons, 33,4 %
- Belts: 6 680 tons, 13,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 999 tons, 1,9 %
- Armament: 4 168 tons, 8,1 %
- Armour Deck: 4 945 tons, 9,6 %
- Conning Tower: 342 tons, 0,7 %
Machinery: 3 609 tons, 7,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 21 434 tons, 41,7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 311 tons, 10,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
60 281 lbs / 27 343 Kg = 29,4 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 8,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 18,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,83
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,554
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,49 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30,00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 38,66 degrees
Stern overhang: -4,50 ft / -1,37 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30,00 ft / 9,14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 33,00 ft / 10,06 m (23,00 ft / 7,01 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (16,00 ft / 4,88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,00 ft / 4,88 m
- Stern: 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Average freeboard: 21,56 ft / 6,57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,7 %
Waterplane Area: 66 829 Square feet or 6 209 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 228 lbs/sq ft or 1 114 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,03
- Longitudinal: 1,00
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
USS Louisiana, USA Battleship laid down 1923
Displacement:
46 031 t light; 49 326 t standard; 51 342 t normal; 52 954 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
924,00 ft / 900,00 ft x 106,00 ft x 34,00 ft (normal load)
281,63 m / 274,32 m x 32,31 m x 10,36 m
Armament:
12 - 16,00" / 406 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2 048,00lbs / 928,96kg shells, 1923 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1923 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1923 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all forward
7 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1923 Model
Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 26 831 lbs / 12 170 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,5" / 343 mm 585,00 ft / 178,31 m 19,00 ft / 5,79 m
Ends: 8,00" / 203 mm 91,00 ft / 27,74 m 12,00 ft / 3,66 m
224,00 ft / 68,28 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
- Torpedo Bulkhead:
5,00" / 127 mm 675,00 ft / 205,74 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 9,00" / 229 mm 13,0" / 330 mm
- Armour deck: 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 11,50" / 292 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 107 981 shp / 80 554 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 627 tons
Complement:
1 704 - 2 216
Cost:
£14,352 million / $57,409 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 354 tons, 6,5 %
Armour: 17 134 tons, 33,4 %
- Belts: 6 680 tons, 13,0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 999 tons, 1,9 %
- Armament: 4 168 tons, 8,1 %
- Armour Deck: 4 945 tons, 9,6 %
- Conning Tower: 342 tons, 0,7 %
Machinery: 3 609 tons, 7,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 21 434 tons, 41,7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 311 tons, 10,3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,0 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
60 281 lbs / 27 343 Kg = 29,4 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 8,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05
Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
Roll period: 18,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,83
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,554
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,49 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30,00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 38,66 degrees
Stern overhang: -4,50 ft / -1,37 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30,00 ft / 9,14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 33,00 ft / 10,06 m (23,00 ft / 7,01 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 23,00 ft / 7,01 m (16,00 ft / 4,88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16,00 ft / 4,88 m
- Stern: 20,00 ft / 6,10 m
- Average freeboard: 21,56 ft / 6,57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,7 %
Waterplane Area: 66 829 Square feet or 6 209 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 228 lbs/sq ft or 1 114 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,03
- Longitudinal: 1,00
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Re: American Capital Ships
I`ve been thinking about a new addition to the fleet. It started out as a more 1920s version of the rejected Scheme A, an early proposal for the North Carolina class, found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:North ... heme_A.jpg. It ended up looking more like the G3/N3 classes. The ship is armed With 9x16 inch 50 Caliber guns on a 256,49x33m hull. It is smaller and less powerful than the Louisiana, but has a shorter armor belt on a shorter hull, which means less weight. The removal of one turret also means less weight, all the weight removed can be added to thicker armor, increased speed and longer range. The ship also has the twin turrets from the Omaha, meaning that the ship can go without casemated guns. A great emphasise has been placed on carrying seaplanes for scouting. The ship can carry five-six Loening OL planes, 4-5 in the hangar, and one on the C turret.
I want to hear some thoughts about the basic design before I finish her up. And a side note, I never intended it to be an "Americanized" G3/N3.
I want to hear some thoughts about the basic design before I finish her up. And a side note, I never intended it to be an "Americanized" G3/N3.
Re: American Capital Ships
Well, three catapults seems rather overkill, no?
Also, I'd reinforce the secondaries. At least six barrels per side should be expected for a ship this size. Preferably more.
Otherwise, I like it.
Also, I'd reinforce the secondaries. At least six barrels per side should be expected for a ship this size. Preferably more.
Otherwise, I like it.
Re: American Capital Ships
As I said, I wanted some feedback before I crowd up the ship with boats and guns.
Re: American Capital Ships
Can't say it's my favorite of your designs but it's pretty good.
Re: American Capital Ships
Actually, it's a bit of an inspired design. As powerful and probably as fast as an Iowa but the scout aircraft would also be very useful, especially for the time (not a lot of flattops to go around).
Also, what hangar?
Also, what hangar?
Re: American Capital Ships
I'm guessing it's the area below the aft tri-pod.
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