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Great idea to lengthen the Sverige-type CDS! However, if I may add my fifty öre to the design: personally, I'd raise the clearance of the amidships (no.2) turret to avoid excessive blast on the deck fittings. This can be done simply by raising the turret base to the same height as Tate forward one. Also the MG:s you've positioned at either forward tip of the aft superstructure will be close to useless in their very exposed sites. What I'd do is remove them, add a clinker extension and put more boats on that. With increased size also comes larger crews! Remember that the Sverige-ships did have up to eight ships's boats; you only have four...

Though, I don't know much about ships of this era, I admire your skills and especially top views; we always want to see those

bezobrazov wrote:Great idea to lengthen the Sverige-type CDS! However, if I may add my fifty öre to the design: personally, I'd raise the clearance of the amidships (no.2) turret to avoid excessive blast on the deck fittings. This can be done simply by raising the turret base to the same height as Tate forward one. Also the MG:s you've positioned at either forward tip of the aft superstructure will be close to useless in their very exposed sites. What I'd do is remove them, add a clinker extension and put more boats on that. With increased size also comes larger crews! Remember that the Sverige-ships did have up to eight ships's boats; you only have four...

Thank you! I'll see what I can do about the issues you mentioned.

sebu wrote:Though, I don't know much about ships of this era, I admire your skills and especially top views; we always want to see those

Thank you! That's high praise!

Here's another pair. The first one is a small battlecruiser loosely based of Soviet heavy cruiser projects I've read about(and I looked a on the Kronstadt class battlecruiser for the superstructure layout). The other is a light cruiser to keep her company.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1939

Displacement:
15 878 t light; 16 613 t standard; 18 031 t normal; 19 165 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(690,22 ft / 679,13 ft) x 71,52 ft x (23,62 / 24,76 ft)
(210,38 m / 207,00 m) x 21,80 m x (7,20 / 7,55 m)

Armament:
9 - 9,06" / 230 mm 55,0 cal guns - 400,71lbs / 181,76kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1939 Model
3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 4,33" / 110 mm 55,0 cal guns - 43,85lbs / 19,89kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1939 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 1,70lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1 200 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
4 x Twin mounts layout not set
4 double raised mounts
16 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 3 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model
16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4 168 lbs / 1 891 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6,69" / 170 mm 415,68 ft / 126,70 m 14,11 ft / 4,30 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined -16,00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
0,79" / 20 mm 416,67 ft / 127,00 m 19,03 ft / 5,80 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 64,96 ft / 19,80 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 6,69" / 170 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Box over machinery & magazines:
4,13" / 105 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 124 232 shp / 92 677 Kw = 33,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2 551 tons

Complement:
777 - 1 011

Cost:
£8,750 million / $35,001 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 413 tons, 7,8 %
- Guns: 1 413 tons, 7,8 %
Armour: 4 689 tons, 26,0 %
- Belts: 1 643 tons, 9,1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 231 tons, 1,3 %
- Armament: 817 tons, 4,5 %
- Armour Deck: 1 911 tons, 10,6 %
- Conning Tower: 87 tons, 0,5 %
Machinery: 3 361 tons, 18,6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 354 tons, 35,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 152 tons, 11,9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 0,3 %
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
25 276 lbs / 11 465 Kg = 68,1 x 9,1 " / 230 mm shells or 3,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
Metacentric height 3,6 ft / 1,1 m
Roll period: 15,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,65
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,558
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27,94 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 27,23 ft / 8,30 m, 24,28 ft / 7,40 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 24,28 ft / 7,40 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Aft deck: 35,00 %, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m, 24,28 ft / 7,40 m
- Average freeboard: 23,92 ft / 7,29 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 199,6 %
Waterplane Area: 34 735 Square feet or 3 227 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 649 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,42
- Overall: 1,00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
She ended up pretty well balanced, IMO.
And the second is a light cruiser.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1934

Displacement:
8 500 t light; 8 921 t standard; 9 789 t normal; 10 484 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(595,99 ft / 587,27 ft) x 57,41 ft x (19,03 / 20,08 ft)
(181,66 m / 179,00 m) x 17,50 m x (5,80 / 6,12 m)

Armament:
12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 54,0 cal guns - 115,28lbs / 52,29kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model
4 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4,33" / 110 mm 50,0 cal guns - 42,99lbs / 19,50kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 1,70lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1 200 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
1 raised mount
2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
2 double raised mounts
12 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1 744 lbs / 791 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,532 t each, 9,194 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 376,64 ft / 114,80 m 10,50 ft / 3,20 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined -12,00 degrees (positive = in)

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - -

- Box over machinery & magazines:
2,17" / 55 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 84 699 shp / 63 186 Kw = 32,00 kts
Range 7 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 563 tons

Complement:
491 - 639

Cost:
£4,003 million / $16,012 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 550 tons, 5,6 %
- Guns: 538 tons, 5,5 %
- Weapons: 11 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 1 989 tons, 20,3 %
- Belts: 638 tons, 6,5 %
- Armament: 356 tons, 3,6 %
- Armour Deck: 956 tons, 9,8 %
- Conning Tower: 39 tons, 0,4 %
Machinery: 2 437 tons, 24,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 475 tons, 35,5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 289 tons, 13,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0,5 %
- On freeboard deck: 40 tons
- Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11 770 lbs / 5 339 Kg = 109,8 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m
Roll period: 14,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,534 / 0,542
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,23 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Aft deck: 35,00 %, 14,44 ft / 4,40 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 15,42 ft / 4,70 m
- Average freeboard: 19,24 ft / 5,87 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165,6 %
Waterplane Area: 23 182 Square feet or 2 154 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 502 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,23
- Overall: 1,00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Hm... Maybe I should stick the battlecruiser in a smaller template... ah heck, I'll fix it later.

Very nice ships,I like them!

Wonderful job!

not bad, not bad!

Very nice looking designs. Keep it up KHT, Your designs are always worth watching.

Agreed, wonderful designs!

I like these very much. They have that Soviet/Italian look, but could easily pass for another nation's vessels.
Keep having these great ideas!