Shipbucket

Are the Japanese victorious in this AU? Some of the descriptions seem to indicate that.

I like these ideas so far.

No, it's just a longer, more devastating war.

the Tenryu conversion sound sinteresting Raxar, you gave the IJN and equivalent of the US Sable

I just now noticed the Tenryus! Quite interesting design, but wouldn't they be a tad narrow for flight ops?

More devastating war as in the total extintion of the Japanese people, society and culture?

I think it is to the Yanks i.e they lose their carriers at pearl.

Karle94 wrote:More devastating war as in the total extintion of the Japanese people, society and culture?

Yeah, that thougt struck me as well... Unless the war starts with a stronger Japanese navy availible, there are very few ways to extend it without having the entire 1945-47 period being fighting slowly through Japan.
Suggestion, perhaps not entirely plausible and thought through, but hopefully it can account for something:
As Japans supply of oil and resources are strangled, instead of attacking USA at PH, have them attack the Soviet Union instead, working with the Germans in the other end of Russia to break the USSR. The Germans will have an easier time in Europe(possible to unite with the KM1946 idea), and Japan will have the oil and resources to fight longer and build more... Then they can attack USA & Co.

More devastating to the country's military might, really. To get a more in-depth look at the devastating opening of the war, read my official time line here. (But if you're not a member of this forum, I have it in a text file, so shoot me your email in a PM and I'll send it to you.)

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discuss ... p?t=262814

The Tone-class CAs underwent many refits in their lives, but all looked pretty much the same as the war began in December 1941. Tone and Chikuma bombarded the ruins of Pearl Harbor with Hiei and Kirishima on the night of 7-8 December 1941, and helped them dispatch a makeshift U.S. surface group, sinking heavy cruiser Minneapolis. However, the following day, Tone's luck ran out when she was caught by heavy cruisers Portland and Astoria while doing advance reconnaissance. Chikuma lasted until October 1942, when she was destroyed by her own torpedoes detonating in their tubes at the Battle of Santa Cruz. In 1943, the surviving ships, Hakone and Azuma, entered their builders' yards for refits, and came out looking like this:



By October 1944, both cruisers had received radar and a few more AA guns, and Azuma was sunk at the Battle of Samar in this guise:



In July 1945, Hakone met her end off Kure, being sunk in shallow water by U.S. carrier-based aircraft.