Federal Republic of Denton

[Novice]

It looks off Ethan.
The funnel is too far back, above the propeller shafts, which indicates the non-existance of an engine room. You would do better if you replaced positions between th efunnel and aft conning tower.
If indeed you have based the design on that concept of North Carolina, just remember there was a reason why the design was not proceeded with.

[BB1987]

It looks off Ethan.
The funnel is too far back, above the propeller shafts, which indicates the non-existance of an engine room. You would do better if you replaced positions between th efunnel and aft conning tower.
If indeed you have based the design on that concept of North Carolina, just remember there was a reason why the design was not proceeded with.

Thechnically Novice, there is nothing wrong with Ezgo's layout. The boiler rooms are positioned aft of the engine rooms, just like on the Nelson class Battleships. The concept designs for the NC linked by him just above the drawing shows a similar layout, thus that design do work fine.

[ezgo394]

Thanks guys!

@Novice, BB1987 is correct. The boilers are positioned aft of the engines rooms and the engine rooms are located under the boats area and the main structure. It's a different design, and not one pursued often, which is precisely why I went with it. While I will agree that it would 'work' better with the funnel and aft tower swapped, I think it would just lose it's appeal. The design is flawed in some ways, but that's just what makes it interesting.

[ezgo394]

Updated first page:
-Added Outer Island and South Pacific Territory map
-Changed Britain to Salide and modified history accordingly, as well as demographics.
-Added BB-3 Concord and BB-6 Paerau. Innsbruck and Saarbrucken have now been changed to BB-2 and BB-1, with St. Catherine keeping a designation of BM-1. Now, Saarbrucken is the first 'true' battleship of Denton.
-Created Templates for LCU-83 and Saale class hovercraft (which should have been done when I drew them)
-And finally, I have changed all hull colors to red, as well as removed all black waterlines, creating a better visual transition between the above water hull, the boot-topping, and the underwater hull.

No projects for Denton at the moment, but Salide will receive some attention in the upcoming week.

[ezgo394]

Sorry, double post.

It's been several years since I drew the Fort Albany Class battleship and the casemates have never been very attractive, as well as the superstructure. So finally, I decided to try again, using the New York class battleship to change the design and make the Fort Albany and New York class look more like sister ships (which they are).

So, here is the old Fort Albany Class:

And the new Fort Albany and Lock Haven along with a new SS report:


DNS Lock Haven, Denton Dreadnought laid down 1911

Displacement:
24,031 t light; 25,515 t standard; 27,033 t normal; 28,247 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
565.50 ft / 565.50 ft x 95.25 ft x 27.75 ft (normal load)
172.36 m / 172.36 m x 29.03 m x 8.46 m

Armament:
10 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
19 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
19 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (4x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 15,141 lbs / 6,868 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 110
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 428.00 ft / 130.45 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 137.50 ft / 41.91 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 150.00 ft / 45.72 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 428.00 ft / 130.45 m 27.00 ft / 8.23 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 7.00" / 178 mm - 5.00" / 127 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.25" / 57 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 33,857 ihp / 25,257 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 7,300nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,732 tons (80% coal)

Complement:
1,053 - 1,370

Cost:
£2.740 million / $10.958 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,893 tons, 7.0 %
Armour: 9,820 tons, 36.3 %
- Belts: 4,505 tons, 16.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 641 tons, 2.4 %
- Armament: 2,751 tons, 10.2 %
- Armour Deck: 1,691 tons, 6.3 %
- Conning Tower: 233 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,206 tons, 8.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,973 tons, 36.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,002 tons, 11.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,564 lbs / 12,956 Kg = 20.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 4.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.31

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.633
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.78 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.50 ft / 8.08 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (45 %): 22.50 ft / 6.86 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.50 ft / 6.25 m (0.00 ft / 0.00 m before break)
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 22.45 ft / 5.59 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.6 %
Waterplane Area: 40,622 Square feet or 3,774 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 893 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.43
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
I think they look much better, and I'd really like to put these to rest. What do y'all think?

[JSB]

looks nice I have a few questions ?

- Why the 5" above the 3" ? (near bridge)

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Main Belt covers 82 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

Should it be longer ?

[ezgo394]

Ahh, fixed. I overlooked that part.

I'm not sure why they had the 5" gun where it is, but it mirrors that of BB-34 and 35, so that's why I did it.

[Thiel]

I'm not sure why they had the 5" gun where it is, but it mirrors that of BB-34 and 35, so that's why I did it.

Space. There isn't enough space between the deck edge and the superstructure to fit the rather long 5"/51 on the maindeck, but there's enough to fit the much smaller 3"/50 gun.
Have you sketched out a topview? It doesn't look like you have room for the 5" gun on the upper deck, but I might be wrong. The superstructure on the New York was triangular which was what made it possible, whereas yours looks rectangular.

[ezgo394]

Makes sense now.
I think I'll have to play with it a little more. Probably the best thing for me to do is move that 5" forward a little more and that should give me the room I need.

Edit: Moved the 5" gun forward a bit. I think it should have room now.

[ezgo394]

I suddenly had a shot of inspiration. I'm struggling to decide how I want to design my armored vehicles, and the MBT is no exception. After some deep thought and lots of flipping between tank pages, I came up with a design and here it is.


The Lion/Löwe is Denton's Main battle tank. Design work started in the early 1960s and the first units came off the production line in 1969. Several key requirements dictated the design, which included easy repair, cost effectiveness, modularity, and the use of the 120mm rifled gun, which was also being developed to fire ATGMs.

Several key things to know:
-The engine is located in the front, adding additional frontal protection, as well as making the chassis adaptable to many other roles. Front Sprocket drive.
-The turret is a design similar to that of the M60A2 Starship, but has a more sloped side.
-The gunner sits to the right, the commander in the center, and the loader to the left. The driver is located on the left side, next to the engine. All crew members have a hatch.
-There is a door in the rear of the hull. Ammunition racks are standard, however, these can be removed and the tank can be used for command and control, minimum troop transport, or medevac.

Some of these design features inspired the design and creation of the Israeli Merkava, which was built 10 years later.

There are three marks, built over the course of 40 years.
MkI - 1969-1974
MkII - 1977-1987
MkIII - 1998-2011
Each mark has significant improvements from the last, but all retain the same basic chassis and components. The engine was uprated from 930hp to 1200hp to 1500hp in the MkIII. It's still a subject of debate whether or not to start design of a new tank or continue updating the Lion to a MkIV.

Specs, MkI:
Width: 12'1"
Length, Hull: 25'10"
Height: 8'8"
Weight: 63 short tons
Main Gun: 120mm Rifled gun, able to fire laser guided ATGMs.
Secondary Armament: 2 .30 Cal MG (1x coaxial, 1x commander's hatch), 1x 60mm mortar for smoke, HE and illumination rounds (on later MkIs).
Engine: 980 to 1500hp V12 liquid cooled diesel engine
Suspension: Helical Spring
Range: 320 miles
Max Speed: 30mph

MkII and III, as well as other variants (anti-air, engineering, bridge-laying, recovery, and an APC concept) will follow.