Project Sail
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- heuhen
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Re: Project Sail
Nice work. except the shading that dosn't fit the shading rules that many people have been working on. I am talking about the hull. Now we either do an simple shading of the hull or we shade how the hull looks in the real world. your's well... it's a ship not a bathtub. a shading represent 45 degrees in the hull.. and we never use to type of shading for shading a hull. all those Shipbucket rule is about making it simple but good at the same time so other people that want to modifie it can do it easy.
Oh remember boys it's Niagara not Viagra
Oh remember boys it's Niagara not Viagra
Re: Project Sail
Heuhen,
Actually, I used the buttock lines from the hull plans to guide the shading. I found using the "45 degree rule" was giving me some weird shapes, particularly at the bow end...so that's when I tried the technique I used.
Note: the original plans may no longer exist, the drawings I used were taken off a surviving half model of the Niagara.
Plan "B" was to take the original hull plans and completely re-draft them to create very accurate line-work for guiding SB's simplified shading style. Overkill for a 2D drawing and not good time utilization.
Plan "C" I can render the plans in 3D with accurate lighting, then convert the image to 2D. That's beyond the scope of SB and a waste of time in a small scale.
Plan "D" would be to build a half model, photograph it with SB compliant lighting sources. Digitally trace over it for a SB drawing. Not going to happen.
CraigH
Actually, I used the buttock lines from the hull plans to guide the shading. I found using the "45 degree rule" was giving me some weird shapes, particularly at the bow end...so that's when I tried the technique I used.
Note: the original plans may no longer exist, the drawings I used were taken off a surviving half model of the Niagara.
Plan "B" was to take the original hull plans and completely re-draft them to create very accurate line-work for guiding SB's simplified shading style. Overkill for a 2D drawing and not good time utilization.
Plan "C" I can render the plans in 3D with accurate lighting, then convert the image to 2D. That's beyond the scope of SB and a waste of time in a small scale.
Plan "D" would be to build a half model, photograph it with SB compliant lighting sources. Digitally trace over it for a SB drawing. Not going to happen.
CraigH
In active progress
More Ships with Sails
Early Torpedo Boats in SB and FD Scales
Some railroad stuff
More random stuff that strikes me!
More Ships with Sails
Early Torpedo Boats in SB and FD Scales
Some railroad stuff
More random stuff that strikes me!
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Re: Project Sail
well, the bow end is basically all that is wrong with it, I think. I am not that familiar with sailing ship shapes.CraigH wrote:Heuhen,
Actually, I used the buttock lines from the hull plans to guide the shading. I found using the "45 degree rule" was giving me some weird shapes, particularly at the bow end...so that's when I tried the technique I used.
Note: the original plans may no longer exist, the drawings I used were taken off a surviving half model of the Niagara.
Plan "B" was to take the original hull plans and completely re-draft them to create very accurate line-work for guiding SB's simplified shading style. Overkill for a 2D drawing and not good time utilization.
Plan "C" I can render the plans in 3D with accurate lighting, then convert the image to 2D. That's beyond the scope of SB and a waste of time in a small scale.
Plan "D" would be to build a half model, photograph it with SB compliant lighting sources. Digitally trace over it for a SB drawing. Not going to happen.
CraigH
if you could PM me the lineplan, maybe? I will try to help you out then by using the technique I use when I have an lineplan available.
Drawings are credited with J.Scholtens
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I ask of you to prove me wrong. Not say I am wrong, but prove it, because then I will have learned something new.
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Re: Project Sail
Revised the USS Niagara drawings on the previous page (page 15).
Here is one of the "90 Day Gun-Boats" from the American Civil War:
USA, USS Ticonderoga (1862)
USA, USS Ticonderoga (1864)
USA, USS Ticonderoga (1865-1869)
I suspect there was an additional rebuild around 1869-70. Also armament did change over time.
Launched 1862
Sold: 1887
Type: Screw sloop-of-war
Displacement: 2,526 long tons (2,567 t)
Length: 237 ft (72 m)
Beam: 38 ft 2 in (11.63 m)
Draft: 17 ft 6 in (5.33 m)
Speed: 11 knots (20 km/h; 13 mph)
Armament: 1 × 150-pounder Parrott rifle
1 × 50-pounder Dahlgren rifle
6 × 9 in (230 mm) Dahlgren smoothbores
2 × 24-pounder howitzers
2 × 12-pounder rifles
2 × heavy 12-pounder smoothbores
It's sister ship was the USS Lackawanna.
CraigH
Here is one of the "90 Day Gun-Boats" from the American Civil War:
USA, USS Ticonderoga (1862)
USA, USS Ticonderoga (1864)
USA, USS Ticonderoga (1865-1869)
I suspect there was an additional rebuild around 1869-70. Also armament did change over time.
Launched 1862
Sold: 1887
Type: Screw sloop-of-war
Displacement: 2,526 long tons (2,567 t)
Length: 237 ft (72 m)
Beam: 38 ft 2 in (11.63 m)
Draft: 17 ft 6 in (5.33 m)
Speed: 11 knots (20 km/h; 13 mph)
Armament: 1 × 150-pounder Parrott rifle
1 × 50-pounder Dahlgren rifle
6 × 9 in (230 mm) Dahlgren smoothbores
2 × 24-pounder howitzers
2 × 12-pounder rifles
2 × heavy 12-pounder smoothbores
It's sister ship was the USS Lackawanna.
CraigH
In active progress
More Ships with Sails
Early Torpedo Boats in SB and FD Scales
Some railroad stuff
More random stuff that strikes me!
More Ships with Sails
Early Torpedo Boats in SB and FD Scales
Some railroad stuff
More random stuff that strikes me!
Re: Project Sail
Damn nice Craig!
Work list(Current)
Miscellaneous|Victorian Colonial Navy|Murray Riverboats|Colony of Victoria AU|Project Sail-fixing SB's sail shortage
How to mentally pronounce my usernameRow-(as in a boat)Don-(as in the short form of Donald)Dough-(bread)
"Loitering on the High Seas" (Named after the good ship Rodondo)
There's no such thing as "nothing left to draw" If you can down 10 pints and draw, you're doing alright by my standards
Miscellaneous|Victorian Colonial Navy|Murray Riverboats|Colony of Victoria AU|Project Sail-fixing SB's sail shortage
How to mentally pronounce my usernameRow-(as in a boat)Don-(as in the short form of Donald)Dough-(bread)
"Loitering on the High Seas" (Named after the good ship Rodondo)
There's no such thing as "nothing left to draw" If you can down 10 pints and draw, you're doing alright by my standards
Re: Project Sail
Very nice work, indeed. It's like a spot-the-difference game.
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Re: Project Sail
Loving it!