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Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 24th, 2014, 8:11 pm
by erik_t
A nice and attractive drawing, although the shading below and between the SPY-1 arrays is confusing. It's a dark gray, as if to show that the block is overhanging the structure below; in fact, as is clear in the photo of the model, the arrays are well inboard of that deckhouse below. That central trapezoid should be light gray, not dark gray.
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 24th, 2014, 9:07 pm
by Colombamike
heuhen wrote:USA (Ingalls)
Improved Saar V
heuhen wrote:USA Northrop Grumman Ship Systems
FF20, Early Legend/Bertholf class studies, late 1990s ?
heuhen wrote:USA VT Shipbuilding with SaabTech
Ambassador Mark III/Ezzat-class - FAC craft
VT Halter Marine, 2001 view
Maybe by 1997-1999 a much enlarged Ambassador was good ?
VT Group is a privately held United States defence and services company, with its origins in a former British shipbuilding group, previously well-known as Vosper Thorneycroft
heuhen wrote:UK (can't remember the name) I think the British frigate suggestion was from: Vosper (and something else), The British one that used an British electronics
A improved type 23 ?
A improved/enlarged F2000/Lekiu corvette class (built by Yarrow 1994-1999)
A improved/much enlarged Qahir Al Amwaj Omani corvette (1993-1996 built by Vosper-Thornycroft)
heuhen wrote: Germany (Blohm + Voss (now ThyssenKrupp) teamed with BAE Systems)
Germany = Meko 200 design with APAR.
Meko 200 AAW (Meko A-200 AAW)
heuhen wrote: Spain (Navantia with Lockheed Martin)
You can easily find the Early "Fridtjof Nansen" studies, by 1993-1997
Norway (NorEskort (team consisting of Kvaerner Marine, Umoe Sterkoder, and Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace AS (KDA))
Hard web-finding...
Reportedly, the Blohm + Voss offer was within the budget limits, but the RNoN preferred the Aegis capability.
=> So forget any German FFG design, maybe even any French one
And if the French designs was to meet the bill for an modern frigate that will from time to time have command of an NATO Naval force... APAR or similar.
Ready to discuss with you, prepare your drawing for a
( exceptional ) "shooting-war" comments
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 24th, 2014, 9:55 pm
by eswube
Very interesting and a great drawing Heuhen!
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 8:48 am
by heuhen
erik_t wrote:A nice and attractive drawing, although the shading below and between the SPY-1 arrays is confusing. It's a dark gray, as if to show that the block is overhanging the structure below; in fact, as is clear in the photo of the model, the arrays are well inboard of that deckhouse below. That central trapezoid should be light gray, not dark gray.
quality and shading on that picture had me a bit...
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 1:32 pm
by erik_t
Truthfully, I'm less sure of what I said now that I look at it again. It looks like that trapezoid slants neither inboard nor outboard.
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 3:05 pm
by heuhen
erik_t wrote:Truthfully, I'm less sure of what I said now that I look at it again. It looks like that trapezoid slants neither inboard nor outboard.
the shading is a bit dark there so what I think is this:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/887 ... pt%202.PNG
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 3:08 pm
by TimothyC
heuhen wrote:erik_t wrote:A nice and attractive drawing, although the shading below and between the SPY-1 arrays is confusing. It's a dark gray, as if to show that the block is overhanging the structure below; in fact, as is clear in the photo of the model, the arrays are well inboard of that deckhouse below. That central trapezoid should be light gray, not dark gray.
quality and shading on that picture had me a bit...
I think it's something more like this:
The aft faces are cantilevered out while the areas outboard of the forward faces are visible from above.
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 3:43 pm
by Rodondo
I'd say you're spot on there Timothy, the shading of the aft shot looks like it and the rears does'nt meet flush with the mast at all
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 5:23 pm
by erik_t
I don't think I agree. SPY-1 faces are <em>not light.</em> That arrangement seems very improbable to me.
Re: Norwegian frigate project
Posted: February 25th, 2014, 5:55 pm
by heuhen
TimothyC wrote:heuhen wrote:erik_t wrote:A nice and attractive drawing, although the shading below and between the SPY-1 arrays is confusing. It's a dark gray, as if to show that the block is overhanging the structure below; in fact, as is clear in the photo of the model, the arrays are well inboard of that deckhouse below. That central trapezoid should be light gray, not dark gray.
quality and shading on that picture had me a bit...
I think it's something more like this:
The aft faces are cantilevered out while the areas outboard of the forward faces are visible from above.
nope:
I have studied the picture again. the computer shading is confusing you a bit to, just like me. but I concluded the mast is an perfect square in shape, and the SPY-1F doom is just a little bigger than the mast: