Nihon Kaigun 1946

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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#111 Post by emperor_andreas »

As I said to BB1987, a cruiser was in the works! And now, here she is!

The IJN's designers were quite pleased with their Myoko- and Takao-class CAs; the ships, with their ten 8-inch guns, were the most heavily-armed heavy cruisers in the world. But for some, it wasn't enough. Some officers wanted a ship that no cruiser could contest. Not a battleship, but not a battlecruiser either. As such, the 'Large Cruiser' concept was introduced. As the Myokos were nearing completion at the end of the 1920s, the Ordnance branch designed and successfully tested a 10-inch gun, which was immediately approved for the new ships. Turrets were designed through the early 1930s, and both a twin and triple-mount design were approved, both of which were used in the initial large cruiser class, with twin mounts superfiring over triples, giving ten 10-inch guns in total. The hull design proved so successful, it was used for not only three classes of large cruisers, but also three classes of battlecruiser.

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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#112 Post by erik_t »

Seems like a truly immense hull for that armament. And you've got some mismatches in shades of red below the waterline amidships, on the rudder, and near the shafts. Certainly attractive, though.
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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#113 Post by emperor_andreas »

Fixed the underwater hull shading.

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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#114 Post by eltf177 »

I'd like to see a Springsharp of that baby!
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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#115 Post by BB1987 »

if Emperor does not mind i'll provide it.

Iwate, Japan Large Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
26.436 t light; 27.608 t standard; 32.227 t normal; 35.923 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(808,08 ft / 787,40 ft) x 89,24 ft x (28,87 / 31,49 ft)
(246,30 m / 240,00 m) x 27,20 m x (8,80 / 9,60 m)

Armament:
10 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1931 Model
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
8 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1932 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
10 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 0,53lbs / 0,24kg shells, 9.000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 double raised mounts
4 - 0,51" / 13,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,07lbs / 0,03kg shells, 9.000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model
2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck centre
2 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5.527 lbs / 2.507 kg
Main Torpedoes
8 - 24,9" / 633 mm, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m torpedoes - 2,897 t each, 23,174 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,19" / 208 mm 456,69 ft / 139,20 m 11,35 ft / 3,46 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 4,02" / 102 mm 456,69 ft / 139,20 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 89% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
2,99" / 76 mm 456,69 ft / 139,20 m 26,61 ft / 8,11 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 82,68 ft / 25,20 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7,99" / 203 mm 2,99" / 76 mm 4,02" / 102 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,63" / 16 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 4,92" / 125 mm
Forecastle: 0,00" / 0 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10,00" / 254 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 206.479 shp / 154.033 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 12.000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8.314 tons

Complement:
1.202 - 1.563

Cost:
£10,048 million / $40,191 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.266 tons, 3,9%
- Guns: 1.219 tons, 3,8%
- Weapons: 46 tons, 0,1%
Armour: 8.233 tons, 25,5%
- Belts: 2.433 tons, 7,5%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1.345 tons, 4,2%
- Armament: 691 tons, 2,1%
- Armour Deck: 3.546 tons, 11,0%
- Conning Tower: 218 tons, 0,7%
Machinery: 6.175 tons, 19,2%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.762 tons, 30,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.792 tons, 18,0%
Miscellaneous weights: 1.000 tons, 3,1%
- On freeboard deck: 500 tons
- Above deck: 500 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
44.137 lbs / 20.020 Kg = 88,3 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 2,9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,27
Metacentric height 6,5 ft / 2,0 m
Roll period: 14,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,97

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
an extended bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,556 / 0,568
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,82 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28,06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,90%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m
- Aft deck: 28,00%, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m
- Quarter deck: 21,10%, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m, 16,73 ft / 5,10 m
- Average freeboard: 20,99 ft / 6,40 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158,0%
Waterplane Area: 49.315 Square feet or 4.582 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 708 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,99
- Longitudinal: 1,01
- Overall: 1,00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather



Based everything as a mix between the B65 and the Myokos, the result was an extremely undergunned ship, so i increased the armour and gave her an impressive range of 12.000 miles at 18 knots; still, not a great seaboat at top speed.
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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#116 Post by bezobrazov »

Envious of my Thevai-class, Matt? 8-) I still think my 'boats' can take yours one. 8-) :D :lol: with the exception of the oddly shaped stem, it does look cool. I'd rather have preferred the classic, emblematic, prow design of the 'A'-class cruisers.
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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#117 Post by emperor_andreas »

Thanks, BB! And no, Bezo, not envious...I'm just an IJN nut who loves designing interesting ships. :) And I'm not too concerned about the loss of speed in heavy weather; these were not designed to run with the carrier forces, but instead serve as smaller consorts to the battlecruisers on the surface units...truly night fighters from hell. :) :lol:

Edited the original drawing to show it's an 'as completed' version. In the meantime, here's the 1944 version:

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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#118 Post by KHT »

I would probably prefer the Thevai, even though I like this as well. ;) A cruiser killer should never be that much bigger than the cruiser it's intended to sink. It's not very economic. Then again, the "1946"-threads aren't made with a very economic set of mind. 8-)
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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#119 Post by Novice »

Beautiful ship Matt, but on the 1944 version the Type 13 air search radar is placed badly, it is too low on the fore mast and has a very large blind spot forward. IMHO it would be better off on the aft mast higher up.
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Re: Nihon Kaigun 1946

#120 Post by emperor_andreas »

Fixed the Type 13.

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