Unbuilt designs of Soviet military hydrofoils

[Frankiewicz]

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_11451.htm
http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1141.htm

[eswube]

@Frankiewicz
Could You elaborate, please? I know these links, but I don't see how they relate to the issue we're discussing (the Pr.1141 and Pr.11451 I've already posted here: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... 78#p136178 ).

Mógłbyś, proszę, rozwinąć temat? Znam te linki, ale nie wiem jak one miałyby się odnieść do omawianej kwestii (Pr.1141 i Pr.11451 już zamieściłem w innym miejscu).

[Gollevainen]

2) A-220 - that possibility seems more likely, but the source is quite vague (and source picture of rather low quality), that it looks quite similar to AK-176 as well. And since I know of one, very blurry photo of A-220 (as opposed to current A-220M), trying to draw it accurately would be highly challenging

Yea I know, it almost brougth my Finnish AU project on its knees this spring. This is what I came up back those days:

biggest issue IMO with it is, that the weapon is actually rather small in size compared to Ak-176, and despite some accurate dimensions exists, scaling with only few meters baseline is always going to produce scalling issues in SB style.
But it should be best to my judgement

[eswube]

Great work with that A-220!
Thanks for sharing!
I updated the Pr.1141P with it.

[Progress]

I belive its presenting the Kolonka man portable director just right front of the bridge. Also IMO the maingun in the project should be the A-220 57mm instead of the AK-176, at least thats what the shape of the gun reminds me most. That is that we are talking about the same reference drawing in the book "Sokolinaya Ohota" ?

I found this drawing ... I don´t know if it is the one that eswube took as reference, but is the only one I could find...
I also vote for an optical sight for main gun (and maybe for the torpedoes?!?), I can´t say the specific model... In the drawing it seems to rise over the gun, so having (though not excellent) enough vision to work...

[eswube]

Yeah, that's the reference. My problem is that it looks much taller than the Kolonka behind the mast.
Well, at least that seems to be some kind of vox populi, so I'll make the changes bit later.

EDIT: Changes applied.

[eswube]

And now a larger addition to finish the story of Pr.1141-related unbuilt projects.

Roughly at the same time when Pr.1141P PSKR's were designed (see page 2), so in the first half of the 1970s, works were started on a larger MPK code-named Orlik with more missile-oriented armament. Eventually the design was to be armed with RPK-6 Vodopad ASW missile and what sources describe as Kinzhal SAM missile. It is worth noting that the development of the Tor missile (which evolved into 3K95 Kinzhal) has actually begun only in 1975 and the source drawing shows a somewhat different arrangement (actual Kinzhal has missiles stored in VLS launchers while the available drawing of Orlik shows a launcher more similar to US Mk.13 but with twin missile rail) and apparently much smaller than the finally-built Kinzhal (which can be installed on ships with displacement of at least 800 tonnes). Sources' text also mention 400mm torpedo launchers but their location is unclear.



In 1979 works have begun on missile fast attack craft based on 1141/11451 family, designated as Pr.11452. Two variants were planned - one with two pairs of Moskit launchers and another with as much as 20 (!) Uran launchers (in addition to standard set of AK-176 and AK-630 guns etc.), though unfortunately available sources show only Moskit-armed variant. Designs works showed eventually that Moskit would be too big for this project and design was re-evaluated in 1983 to be armed with Urans plus Kortik air-defence system (then under development).
Below is the Moskit-armed version. It should be noted that sources mention the Kortik as it's SAM armament, yet it's development has only begun around that moment (1979) and the source drawing shows a launcher resembling rather Osa complex, which I therefore decided to use instead.



In 1985-1987 further stage of works started, this time again on ASW ship designated Pr.11455, armed with Medvedka ASW complex and Kortik air-defence system. It had also heavily redesigned wings arrangement.


To be honest, I can't say I'm happy with the way I drawn the "folded" wings, which ended up looking rather blurry. Sorry for that

After the fall of Soviet Union the newly-independent Republic of Ukraine "inherited" two unfinished Pr.11451 hulls. Eventually the idea was conceived to finish them as missile fast attack craft (MRK) armed with Uran missiles, designated Falkon-500.

[ALVAMA]

Amazing! Excellent line up of some really interested vessels! You did quite a great job! Keep them coming!))

[Hood]

Excellent work and a wonderful way to finish this Pr.1145 series.

[Kilomuse]

This is a wonderful series and very informative as well. You did a great job with the folded sections - it'd be hard to draw them any better considering their complex shape.